http://www.futureworld.ws/ Helloween discussion forum. Fans of Helloween discuss pretty much anything. en-US TheKeeper@FutureWorld.ws http://backend.userland.com/rss http://FutureWorld.ws/images/YourTurn/yt.gif http://www.futureworld.ws/ Your Turn small logo Pig Fuckah ...it sounds just like if I was planning to go fuck a whore but needed to "get the green light" from you guys first. That's not the case though. I've only had sex in a relationship and I'm not sure if either one-night stands or visits to a prostitute are very good things, necessarily. What I was aiming at is that possibly in some circumstances something that's considered perfectly normal by a lot of people (picking someone up at a restaurant) would actually be a worse thing to do than something considered bad by a lot of people (fucking a sex worker). Or the other way around. Cos when you're at a bar and make a decision to sleep with someone your decision-making abilities may be impaired, for there's a good chance you're drunk (fucking obviously). Consequently you may end up sleeping with someone you normally wouldn't sleep with. I wonder how many times discussions like this have taken place... Guy #1: "Picked up a girl last Friday. At first she wasn't really into my suggestion but after I bought her a few drinks she gladly came to my place." Guy #2: "Congrats, you're the man." However we hardly hear anyone bragging off on how they went to a prostitute. And it wouldn't be anything to brag off on of course. That can be classified as taking advantage of someone. But isn't rendering someone's decision-making ability impaired and then sleeping with her (or him?) taking advantage of someone, too? I think so. Yet, if you do one of these things you're a hero, if you do the other one you're a loser. So having said that, in my opinion if the guy #1 in my example really had to fuck someone, going to a prostitute could've possibly been a better decision than sleeping with that drunk girl was. POSSIBLY. Depending on the circumstances of course. But as I said I'm not sure if either nailing random people at bars or visits to a prostitute are that good things really. http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60421 http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60421 Sunrider : : http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60420 http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60420 Pig Fuckah : http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60419 http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60419 Dethpumpkin Saying hi, quite hung over after a night of drinking with So Sick, and my boss' son. Hope all is well, been "lurking around here for a week or two getting some laugh, need to get myself in a better mental place (worked too hard to go back to that terrible place) I know its gay but anyone on Facebook send me a message "Ryan Crawford" Hail Metal! http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60418 http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60418 KOTC : : : Love your vocal work, but I enjoy your writing skillz, too. : : : : : : Also, I've heard you do some growly vocals, and it wasn't too bad! : : : : *** Hey, thanks. :) I haven't done much writing recently, but apparently these guys will gladly hand over that responsibility and I'll just as gladly take it. I'll keep you posted. : : : : My growly vocals, I've done a little of that.. But I can't do it for long, I don't have the technique, I'd lose my voice in no-time. :) : : : : KOTC http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60417 http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60417 Zax666 : : Love your vocal work, but I enjoy your writing skillz, too. : : : : Also, I've heard you do some growly vocals, and it wasn't too bad! : : *** Hey, thanks. :) I haven't done much writing recently, but apparently these guys will gladly hand over that responsibility and I'll just as gladly take it. I'll keep you posted. : : My growly vocals, I've done a little of that.. But I can't do it for long, I don't have the technique, I'd lose my voice in no-time. :) : : KOTC http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60416 http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60416 Judas : : We´re releasing our new single " Fallen" right now and you can listen too it at our site. : : Soon it will be on Spotify along with our last single "Children of Tomorrow". If you feel like it, check us out! : : : : : : Kisses Judas http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60415 http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60415 The Keeper : We´re releasing our new single " Fallen" right now and you can listen too it at our site. : Soon it will be on Spotify along with our last single "Children of Tomorrow". If you feel like it, check us out! : : : Kisses Judas http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60414 http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60414 Judas We´re releasing our new single " Fallen" right now and you can listen too it at our site. Soon it will be on Spotify along with our last single "Children of Tomorrow". If you feel like it, check us out! Kisses Judas http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60413 http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60413 Judas : : So, evidently I'll be catching a Swedish Bluegrass band later this year at the annual Brewgrass Festival. Anyone ever hear of these guys? http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60412 http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60412 Judas : So, evidently I'll be catching a Swedish Bluegrass band later this year at the annual Brewgrass Festival. Anyone ever hear of these guys? http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60411 http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60411 The Keeper : : : So, evidently I'll be catching a Swedish Bluegrass band later this year at the annual Brewgrass Festival. Anyone ever hear of these guys? : : : : ---And judging from the first song loaded in the myspace player, it's really not my thing. http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60410 http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60410 The Keeper : : So, evidently I'll be catching a Swedish Bluegrass band later this year at the annual Brewgrass Festival. Anyone ever hear of these guys? : : ---And judging from the first song loaded in the myspace player, it's really not my thing. http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60409 http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60409 TJ http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60408 http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60408 Sunrider : So, evidently I'll be catching a Swedish Bluegrass band later this year at the annual Brewgrass Festival. Anyone ever hear of these guys? ---And judging from the first song loaded in the myspace player, it's really not my thing. http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60407 http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60407 The Keeper So, evidently I'll be catching a Swedish Bluegrass band later this year at the annual Brewgrass Festival. Anyone ever hear of these guys? http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60406 http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60406 Sunrider : >>> My opinion on prostitution comes from my not wanting the girls to get hurt and/or addicted, etc. That's being a judgemental shitrod to you? ---No, the "It should be illegal because not everyone knows what's good for them" is. : >>> Right, if it's not in a whore house you can't call the cops, what are you retarded? ---No, if it's not LEGAL, you can't call the cops without getting thrown into jail or harshly fined yourself. You seem to be the retarded one. : >>> I didn't mean everyone is too young to make an informed decision about life at that age, I meant that there's a huge risk you might not make the right one, AND in that I also include the fact that if you consider becoming a prostitute for a living then something's wrong to begin with. You're either in a downward spiral or not very bright. ---Yeah, because people who would be happy with it just doesn't exist. Right. There are also no people who LIKE drugs, nor are there any people who like eating feces. I'd say "JESUS CHRIST!" but.... This is a perfect example of the "judgemental shitroddiness" you denied earlier. : >>> And you are? ---NO, which is exactly my point! : >>> Ok, so you tell me how your voting has affected your life since you were given the right, and then let's compare that to how going into prostitution changed an 18-year-old girl's life. I bet it's the same. ---You're still dodging the issue. It's STILL HER LIFE, NOT YOURS. Voting affects everyone. Whether you like it or not. : :: >>> No, that doesn't make you a racist, but I love your shot at martyrdom. ---Good thing you liked it. I just don't care enough to be bothered. : >>> I like how your argument changed from a girl wanting to be a prostitute to a discussion about legalizing the whole thing and house it in "clinics". ---It's still the same. I never changed the argument. It's all in the same category, and it's all relevant. You're just being thick-headed because you want to be. That's why you went on MSN before I had even read this reply. : And yes, condoms do break, and the more condoms you use/the more clients you have sex with, the higher the risk is that it'll happen. But I guess you'd have to have sex to know that. ---Oho, getting personal, are we? : : ---And I'd say that argument was totally irrelevant to begin with. : : >>> Your stupid example sure as hell beat mine. ---It DID beat yours. Just not the way you thought. : : >>> I didn't dodge the argument, I called you on the idiocy of your comment. ---Which is dodging in my book. : >>> That's wonderful. 1200 out of 6000 work in clinics. I'll jot that down. ---1200 out of 2000, actually. Read it again and then come back. Right now, you're just making a fool out of yourself. : >>> Hahahaha. Yeah, I bet they do. I mean, after all, they're checked every month and inbetween that they just have sex with how many? 150 times with possibly just as many different clients? ---Sorry, but you can't just laugh away facts. : >>> I've watched them a few times and I think the show is pretty useless. Once they talked about how everything in the bible can't possibly true and went on like it was the discovery of the century. You'd have to be a fucking crackhead to believe it literally, and they still went on like every christian on the planet actually thought that was the case. I've seen them talk about other stuff, too, and they're a little too "Oh yeah, fuck shit, crap" for my taste. ---Regardless of your opinion, they are correct in most subjects (all that I have seen so far). : >>> You know, as awesome as that sounds, I wouldn't believe it no matter where it came from. You think a clinic would go out and say "Well, we have a magnificant record of only 2 out of 10 ppl getting an STD at our place!" : and the clients would be about as likely to go "Yeah, you know, I've been there 200 times and only on 24 occasions did I get anything!" : This opinion has nothing to do with our discussion here, I'm not saying it because you pulled out numbers and I have to "beat you", I simply wouldn't believe those records no matter who showed them to me. ---Then I am afraid you will forever remain ignorant in this case. Even if proof is handed to you, you refuse to accept it. You almost sound like a creationist. : : You really should work on trying not to take everything so personally, btw. ---Which is exactly what I am NOT doing here. But who am I to question you on that? You have a gazillion university points in every subject. Now, I consider this officially over, you said what you wanted to, I've said what I wanted to. Facts have been stated and not accepted, so I'm out. http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60405 http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60405 KOTC : : *** I'd say that was just about the most stupid context you could put it in, and not because of the earlier thread, simply because that comparison was reall dumb. Judging ppl is one thing, saying you're against prostitution isn't judging the prostitutes, it's having an opinion on the fact that it's a dangerous business. I'm saying she's too young to realize the could-be consequences. : : ---I think it's a great context. It basically means "Mind your own business and don't be a judgemental shitrod." >>> My opinion on prostitution comes from my not wanting the girls to get hurt and/or addicted, etc. That's being a judgemental shitrod to you? : Legalizing it would make it a lot less dangerous, and why? Because working at a proper place like a clinic (or whore house if you prefer), not only is it as safe as any other business, you also get the "god-given" right of calling the police if there is trouble. You can't, if it's not legal. >>> Right, if it's not in a whore house you can't call the cops, what are you retarded? : And "your saying that she's too young" is where the problem is at. You're just completely off track with that, because it's about as much of your business as my chest hair. >>> I didn't mean everyone is too young to make an informed decision about life at that age, I meant that there's a huge risk you might not make the right one, AND in that I also include the fact that if you consider becoming a prostitute for a living then something's wrong to begin with. You're either in a downward spiral or not very bright. Not to mention how you know absolutely nothing about it, seeing as you are hardly qualified to determine whether or not an individual is mature enough. >>> And you are? : : : *** I'd say voting puts her in less of a dangerous position, wouldn't you? There are absolute drunks who have voting rights (and of course most often don't vote), I'd say an 18-year-old can do it. And being a prostitute affects your life a tad bit more than voting, wouldn't you say? : : ---Note the "YOUR life" in your sentence there. That "YOUR" is the key word. You just don't seem to get it. Not to mention how voting affects EVERYONE, not just yourself. And saying her vote doesn't affect much is like saying no one's vote does if you keep going down that lane. >>> Ok, so you tell me how your voting has affected your life since you were given the right, and then let's compare that to how going into prostitution changed an 18-year-old girl's life. I bet it's the same. : AND, if it's legal and organised, I'd say it's not very dangerous. : : : *** Yeah, Denmark rules. Their immigration politics are awesome, too. And the drug laws. Sweet country. She could buy drugs legally AND be a whore! : : ---Their immigration laws sure as hell beat ours. But wait, saying that makes me a racist, right? Oh my god, what should I do? >>> No, that doesn't make you a racist, but I love your shot at martyrdom. : : : *** Sure it is, but no matter, prostitutional sex is more likely to spread STD. Simple as that. If you're having sex for money and do it perhaps 3-4 times a day or whatever, the risk of a condom breaking or a client refusing to even put one on is going to be higher than for a normal girl. : : ---It's far from as simple as that. Even here, it depends on the context. If it's a streetwalking hooker, fine, I'd agree, but if it's an organised place, like a clinic, that's just NOT TRUE. Besides, the condom breaking... Really, Johannes? How often does that happen? And even with that taken into consideration, how big is the chance that either of them is actually infected with anything? >>> I like how your argument changed from a girl wanting to be a prostitute to a discussion about legalizing the whole thing and house it in "clinics". And yes, condoms do break, and the more condoms you use/the more clients you have sex with, the higher the risk is that it'll happen. But I guess you'd have to have sex to know that. : : : *** I'd say "hobbies" was the greatest of your examples there. : : ---And I'd say that argument was totally irrelevant to begin with. >>> Your stupid example sure as hell beat mine. : : : *** Well, if you - for a living - meet ppl in the parking lot all by yourself, then sure, it could be just as dangerous. : : ---Way to dodge the argument there, and it gave you an opportunity to be a dick. Good going, bro. >>> I didn't dodge the argument, I called you on the idiocy of your comment. : : : *** That's where it'll end up eventually for a LOT of them. Not all of them, but a LOT. : : ---"Today, there are about 6000 prostitutes in Denmark, and about a third of them in Copenhagen. The biggest share of them, around 1200, work at clinics in Copenhagen." : Translated from a news paper, SvD. >>> That's wonderful. 1200 out of 6000 work in clinics. I'll jot that down. : Now, those women spread about as many STDs as you do. >>> Hahahaha. Yeah, I bet they do. I mean, after all, they're checked every month and inbetween that they just have sex with how many? 150 times with possibly just as many different clients? : : Do you watch Penn and Teller's Bullshit? If not, you should. >>> I've watched them a few times and I think the show is pretty useless. Once they talked about how everything in the bible can't possibly true and went on like it was the discovery of the century. You'd have to be a fucking crackhead to believe it literally, and they still went on like every christian on the planet actually thought that was the case. I've seen them talk about other stuff, too, and they're a little too "Oh yeah, fuck shit, crap" for my taste. : Season 4, episode 2 (their site lists it ep3, but whatever, it's not hard to find), is about this very subject. You should watch it. : I watched it yesterday, part because of this thread, and part because, well, they are awesome, and I should watch more of them than I have already. : They talked to both sides, as usual, and they went to a clinic with quite a few "working girls". They had all kinds of restrictions, like very hard rules of sanitation for their facilities, regular STD checks for their girls every week, AIDS tests for their girls every month, condom requirements (duh) and so on. : This all showed that out of every girl that has ever worked there, currently or previously, NONE had EVER been infected. With ANYTHING. EVER. : You just can't beat a zero, now, can you? >>> You know, as awesome as that sounds, I wouldn't believe it no matter where it came from. You think a clinic would go out and say "Well, we have a magnificant record of only 2 out of 10 ppl getting an STD at our place!" and the clients would be about as likely to go "Yeah, you know, I've been there 200 times and only on 24 occasions did I get anything!" This opinion has nothing to do with our discussion here, I'm not saying it because you pulled out numbers and I have to "beat you", I simply wouldn't believe those records no matter who showed them to me. You really should work on trying not to take everything so personally, btw. KOTC http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60404 http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60404 Sunrider : *** I'd say that was just about the most stupid context you could put it in, and not because of the earlier thread, simply because that comparison was reall dumb. Judging ppl is one thing, saying you're against prostitution isn't judging the prostitutes, it's having an opinion on the fact that it's a dangerous business. I'm saying she's too young to realize the could-be consequences. ---I think it's a great context. It basically means "Mind your own business and don't be a judgemental shitrod." Legalizing it would make it a lot less dangerous, and why? Because working at a proper place like a clinic (or whore house if you prefer), not only is it as safe as any other business, you also get the "god-given" right of calling the police if there is trouble. You can't, if it's not legal. And "your saying that she's too young" is where the problem is at. You're just completely off track with that, because it's about as much of your business as my chest hair. Not to mention how you know absolutely nothing about it, seeing as you are hardly qualified to determine whether or not an individual is mature enough. : *** I'd say voting puts her in less of a dangerous position, wouldn't you? There are absolute drunks who have voting rights (and of course most often don't vote), I'd say an 18-year-old can do it. And being a prostitute affects your life a tad bit more than voting, wouldn't you say? ---Note the "YOUR life" in your sentence there. That "YOUR" is the key word. You just don't seem to get it. Not to mention how voting affects EVERYONE, not just yourself. And saying her vote doesn't affect much is like saying no one's vote does if you keep going down that lane. AND, if it's legal and organised, I'd say it's not very dangerous. : *** Yeah, Denmark rules. Their immigration politics are awesome, too. And the drug laws. Sweet country. She could buy drugs legally AND be a whore! ---Their immigration laws sure as hell beat ours. But wait, saying that makes me a racist, right? Oh my god, what should I do? : *** Sure it is, but no matter, prostitutional sex is more likely to spread STD. Simple as that. If you're having sex for money and do it perhaps 3-4 times a day or whatever, the risk of a condom breaking or a client refusing to even put one on is going to be higher than for a normal girl. ---It's far from as simple as that. Even here, it depends on the context. If it's a streetwalking hooker, fine, I'd agree, but if it's an organised place, like a clinic, that's just NOT TRUE. Besides, the condom breaking... Really, Johannes? How often does that happen? And even with that taken into consideration, how big is the chance that either of them is actually infected with anything? : *** I'd say "hobbies" was the greatest of your examples there. ---And I'd say that argument was totally irrelevant to begin with. : *** Well, if you - for a living - meet ppl in the parking lot all by yourself, then sure, it could be just as dangerous. ---Way to dodge the argument there, and it gave you an opportunity to be a dick. Good going, bro. : *** That's where it'll end up eventually for a LOT of them. Not all of them, but a LOT. ---"Today, there are about 6000 prostitutes in Denmark, and about a third of them in Copenhagen. The biggest share of them, around 1200, work at clinics in Copenhagen." Translated from a news paper, SvD. Now, those women spread about as many STDs as you do. Do you watch Penn and Teller's Bullshit? If not, you should. Season 4, episode 2 (their site lists it ep3, but whatever, it's not hard to find), is about this very subject. You should watch it. I watched it yesterday, part because of this thread, and part because, well, they are awesome, and I should watch more of them than I have already. They talked to both sides, as usual, and they went to a clinic with quite a few "working girls". They had all kinds of restrictions, like very hard rules of sanitation for their facilities, regular STD checks for their girls every week, AIDS tests for their girls every month, condom requirements (duh) and so on. This all showed that out of every girl that has ever worked there, currently or previously, NONE had EVER been infected. With ANYTHING. EVER. You just can't beat a zero, now, can you? http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60403 http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60403 KOTC : : I'm not pro prostitution in ANY way, so of course I was serious. : : ---I'm not against it. *** I'm against it. But I guess that was pretty clear. :) : : : I'm not saying I don't understand your point though, because I do. But there are issues like what if an 18-year-old wants to earn money by becoming a prostitute? Would that be ok with you? The fact that she wants it, is that enough? : : ---And I understand yours, but I don't mind. Not saying it's necessarily a GOOD decision, but it is hers to make and not anyone elses. I think it's as bad to judge her for it as it is to tell someone they are going to hell for not believing in God, to put it in different context. (No, I didn't say that to tick you off, it's just an example.) *** I'd say that was just about the most stupid context you could put it in, and not because of the earlier thread, simply because that comparison was reall dumb. Judging ppl is one thing, saying you're against prostitution isn't judging the prostitutes, it's having an opinion on the fact that it's a dangerous business. I'm saying she's too young to realize the could-be consequences. : : : I'm just letting my mind wander here, because I'd say she's too young to know what's good for her even if she's - in Swedish eyes - "myndig", meaning she can have a driver's license, get married, etc. I see a problem there. : : ---Are you against her voting at that age as well? If she doesn't have good enough judgement to know if she can handle prostitution without issues, I'd say she doesn't have good enough judgement to vote for the future of a country. *** I'd say voting puts her in less of a dangerous position, wouldn't you? There are absolute drunks who have voting rights (and of course most often don't vote), I'd say an 18-year-old can do it. And being a prostitute affects your life a tad bit more than voting, wouldn't you say? : : : I also think you're an absolute loser if you pay to have sex with a prostitute : : ---Be that as it may, it's still a successful business in, say, Denmark, where it is perfectly legal to buy sex. *** Yeah, Denmark rules. Their immigration politics are awesome, too. And the drug laws. Sweet country. She could buy drugs legally AND be a whore! : : : not to mention the increased risk for STD's, and so on. : : ---If I was a prostitute, I certainly wouldn't have unprotected sex. If you do, you're retarded. Just sayin'. *** Sure it is, but no matter, prostitutional sex is more likely to spread STD. Simple as that. If you're having sex for money and do it perhaps 3-4 times a day or whatever, the risk of a condom breaking or a client refusing to even put one on is going to be higher than for a normal girl. : : : Another argument could be that the deeper you drift into the world of having sex for money, the harder it is to get out of it. : : ---Could be, I dunno. Would be true for all "pleasures" (cigarettes, beer and/or hobbies, really. *** I'd say "hobbies" was the greatest of your examples there. : : : Also, prostitutes will most likely agree to have sex more frequently than a "normal" woman since there's money involved. That means she's more at risk of running into a violent person at some point. : : ---Yes, but aren't you at risk of running into that same man in the parking lot? If it's organised, like in Denmark as I used in an earlier example, that risk is no larger than having your store robbed. *** Well, if you - for a living - meet ppl in the parking lot all by yourself, then sure, it could be just as dangerous. : : : Blah blah blah, and so on. But that's my take on it. : : ---And this was mine. Keep in mind that I'm not arguing for the "shady" kind of prostitution. I don't think it's a good thing to have a 19-year-old drug addict sell her body to old men so she can afford more cocaine. *** That's where it'll end up eventually for a LOT of them. Not all of them, but a LOT. KOTC http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60402 http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60402 Sunrider : I'm not pro prostitution in ANY way, so of course I was serious. ---I'm not against it. : I'm not saying I don't understand your point though, because I do. But there are issues like what if an 18-year-old wants to earn money by becoming a prostitute? Would that be ok with you? The fact that she wants it, is that enough? ---And I understand yours, but I don't mind. Not saying it's necessarily a GOOD decision, but it is hers to make and not anyone elses. I think it's as bad to judge her for it as it is to tell someone they are going to hell for not believing in God, to put it in different context. (No, I didn't say that to tick you off, it's just an example.) : I'm just letting my mind wander here, because I'd say she's too young to know what's good for her even if she's - in Swedish eyes - "myndig", meaning she can have a driver's license, get married, etc. I see a problem there. ---Are you against her voting at that age as well? If she doesn't have good enough judgement to know if she can handle prostitution without issues, I'd say she doesn't have good enough judgement to vote for the future of a country. : I also think you're an absolute loser if you pay to have sex with a prostitute ---Be that as it may, it's still a successful business in, say, Denmark, where it is perfectly legal to buy sex. : not to mention the increased risk for STD's, and so on. ---If I was a prostitute, I certainly wouldn't have unprotected sex. If you do, you're retarded. Just sayin'. : Another argument could be that the deeper you drift into the world of having sex for money, the harder it is to get out of it. ---Could be, I dunno. Would be true for all "pleasures" (cigarettes, beer and/or hobbies, really. : Also, prostitutes will most likely agree to have sex more frequently than a "normal" woman since there's money involved. That means she's more at risk of running into a violent person at some point. ---Yes, but aren't you at risk of running into that same man in the parking lot? If it's organised, like in Denmark as I used in an earlier example, that risk is no larger than having your store robbed. : Blah blah blah, and so on. But that's my take on it. ---And this was mine. Keep in mind that I'm not arguing for the "shady" kind of prostitution. I don't think it's a good thing to have a 19-year-old drug addict sell her body to old men so she can afford more cocaine. And yes, that shit happens too, and I think that's fucked up. This is not what I'm defending, but I think you get that. : KOTC ---Oh btw, I heard the beep on MSN yesterday evening, but I had already gone to bed. Had a bit of a fever so I was like "fuck that". http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60401 http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60401 Zax666 "She had sex with me after I paid her" is not validation, but merely professionalism. http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60400 http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60400 D.S. Think of the happiest Euro melodic power metal band you can remember, complete with the high pitched vocals, etc. Then imagine them sounding twice as happy, and there you go. http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60399 http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60399 KOTC I'm not pro prostitution in ANY way, so of course I was serious. I'm not saying I don't understand your point though, because I do. But there are issues like what if an 18-year-old wants to earn money by becoming a prostitute? Would that be ok with you? The fact that she wants it, is that enough? I'm just letting my mind wander here, because I'd say she's too young to know what's good for her even if she's - in Swedish eyes - "myndig", meaning she can have a driver's license, get married, etc. I see a problem there. I also think you're an absolute loser if you pay to have sex with a prostitute, not to mention the increased risk for STD's, and so on. Another argument could be that the deeper you drift into the world of having sex for money, the harder it is to get out of it. Also, prostitutes will most likely agree to have sex more frequently than a "normal" woman since there's money involved. That means she's more at risk of running into a violent person at some point. Blah blah blah, and so on. But that's my take on it. KOTC http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60398 http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60398 Sunrider : : : : : : : 1) Am I the only one who's utterly sick of Facialbook and how everyone is going on about it all the time? Not to mention how a FB account is slowly and surely becoming a must have. Yeah I know, it's really handy if you have friends in another state, country etc yadda yadda. But it's also sad that we know have people who rather spend their Saturday evenings "facebooking" with the very same people they used to go out with, and people who tell you to check their Facebook page if you call them up and ask them how they're been doing. : : : : : : : : : : : : ---I have one, and I log in once or twice a day, but I haven't updated my status since the day I got it. I agree with you on more or less every point. : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : 2) Is there some weird stuff you'd like to do in life? The religion thread reminded me of how I'd like to get drunk in Iran. I think I'd get some perverted satisfaction out of it. : : : : : : : : : : : : ---Can't really say if there's anything "weird" I wanna do, but I would like to visit some place like Sierra Leone or something like that, and work with perhaps Doctors Without Borders for a month or so. No real reason. Just something I've been wanting to do since a friend of mine told me she was planning to do just that. : : : : : : : : : : : : : 3) Would it actually be more "honest" and "moral" to visit a prostitute than to try your luck at a drinking restaurant? Not that I'm planning to do either, just wondering. : : : : : : : : : : : : ---I've never considered visiting a prostitute morally wrong anyway. I'd call it a business deal, really. Unless it has pimping involved and stuff like that. So I guess it depends on your attitude when you go to that drinking restauraunt. Can't wait for someone to jump down my throat about that prostitute thing. http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60397 http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60397 KOTC : : : : : : 1) Am I the only one who's utterly sick of Facialbook and how everyone is going on about it all the time? Not to mention how a FB account is slowly and surely becoming a must have. Yeah I know, it's really handy if you have friends in another state, country etc yadda yadda. But it's also sad that we know have people who rather spend their Saturday evenings "facebooking" with the very same people they used to go out with, and people who tell you to check their Facebook page if you call them up and ask them how they're been doing. : : : : : : : : : : ---I have one, and I log in once or twice a day, but I haven't updated my status since the day I got it. I agree with you on more or less every point. : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : 2) Is there some weird stuff you'd like to do in life? The religion thread reminded me of how I'd like to get drunk in Iran. I think I'd get some perverted satisfaction out of it. : : : : : : : : : : ---Can't really say if there's anything "weird" I wanna do, but I would like to visit some place like Sierra Leone or something like that, and work with perhaps Doctors Without Borders for a month or so. No real reason. Just something I've been wanting to do since a friend of mine told me she was planning to do just that. : : : : : : : : : : : 3) Would it actually be more "honest" and "moral" to visit a prostitute than to try your luck at a drinking restaurant? Not that I'm planning to do either, just wondering. : : : : : : : : : : ---I've never considered visiting a prostitute morally wrong anyway. I'd call it a business deal, really. Unless it has pimping involved and stuff like that. So I guess it depends on your attitude when you go to that drinking restauraunt. Can't wait for someone to jump down my throat about that prostitute thing. http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60396 http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60396 Sunrider : --- The picking up thing often involves telling lies, feelings of regret afterwards when sober and even heartbreaks. ("I thought he/she really was interested but apparently it was all about sex.") ---Exactly my point. It's about your attitude towards the whole thing, honesty and the feelings of the partner. If s/he only wants sex, then that's fine. If not, then I'd say it's fucked up. : The visiting a prostitute thing, OTOH at least sounds quite honest. Both parties know what the deal is. First you come, then you pay, then you come, and then you leave. Of course if there's pimping involved and she (or he) isn't doing in voluntarily, that's a different thing then... ---And again, agreed. It's all about circumstances here too. Is it consentuous? Then it's ok in my book. Is there pimping and shit involved? Then it's fucked up. I assume we are talking about a prostitute who does it of his/her own free will. http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60395 http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60395 Pig Fuckah : : : 3) Would it actually be more "honest" and "moral" to visit a prostitute than to try your luck at a drinking restaurant? Not that I'm planning to do either, just wondering. : : : : ---I've never considered visiting a prostitute morally wrong anyway. I'd call it a business deal, really. Unless it has pimping involved and stuff like that. So I guess it depends on your attitude when you go to that drinking restauraunt. Can't wait for someone to jump down my throat about that prostitute thing. : : --- The picking up thing often involves telling lies, feelings of regret afterwards when sober and even heartbreaks. ("I thought he/she really was interested but apparently it was all about sex.") : : The visiting a prostitute thing, OTOH at least sounds quite honest. Both parties know what the deal is. First you come, then you pay, then you come, and then you leave. Of course if there's pimping involved and she (or he) isn't doing in voluntarily, that's a different thing then... http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60394 http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60394 Pig Fuckah : : 3) Would it actually be more "honest" and "moral" to visit a prostitute than to try your luck at a drinking restaurant? Not that I'm planning to do either, just wondering. : : ---I've never considered visiting a prostitute morally wrong anyway. I'd call it a business deal, really. Unless it has pimping involved and stuff like that. So I guess it depends on your attitude when you go to that drinking restauraunt. Can't wait for someone to jump down my throat about that prostitute thing. --- The picking up thing often involves telling lies, feelings of regret afterwards when sober and even heartbreaks. ("I thought he/she really was interested but apparently it was all about sex.") The visiting a prostitute thing, OTOH at least sounds quite honest. Both parties know what the deal is. First you come, then you pay, then you come, and then you leave. Of course if there's pimping involved and she (or he) isn't doing in voluntarily, that's a different thing then... http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60393 http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60393 Sunrider : : : : : 1) Am I the only one who's utterly sick of Facialbook and how everyone is going on about it all the time? Not to mention how a FB account is slowly and surely becoming a must have. Yeah I know, it's really handy if you have friends in another state, country etc yadda yadda. But it's also sad that we know have people who rather spend their Saturday evenings "facebooking" with the very same people they used to go out with, and people who tell you to check their Facebook page if you call them up and ask them how they're been doing. : : : : : : : : ---I have one, and I log in once or twice a day, but I haven't updated my status since the day I got it. I agree with you on more or less every point. : : : : : : : : : : : : : : 2) Is there some weird stuff you'd like to do in life? The religion thread reminded me of how I'd like to get drunk in Iran. I think I'd get some perverted satisfaction out of it. : : : : : : : : ---Can't really say if there's anything "weird" I wanna do, but I would like to visit some place like Sierra Leone or something like that, and work with perhaps Doctors Without Borders for a month or so. No real reason. Just something I've been wanting to do since a friend of mine told me she was planning to do just that. : : : : : : : : : 3) Would it actually be more "honest" and "moral" to visit a prostitute than to try your luck at a drinking restaurant? Not that I'm planning to do either, just wondering. : : : : : : : : ---I've never considered visiting a prostitute morally wrong anyway. I'd call it a business deal, really. Unless it has pimping involved and stuff like that. So I guess it depends on your attitude when you go to that drinking restauraunt. Can't wait for someone to jump down my throat about that prostitute thing. http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60392 http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60392 KOTC : : : : 1) Am I the only one who's utterly sick of Facialbook and how everyone is going on about it all the time? Not to mention how a FB account is slowly and surely becoming a must have. Yeah I know, it's really handy if you have friends in another state, country etc yadda yadda. But it's also sad that we know have people who rather spend their Saturday evenings "facebooking" with the very same people they used to go out with, and people who tell you to check their Facebook page if you call them up and ask them how they're been doing. : : : : : : ---I have one, and I log in once or twice a day, but I haven't updated my status since the day I got it. I agree with you on more or less every point. : : : : : : : : : : : 2) Is there some weird stuff you'd like to do in life? The religion thread reminded me of how I'd like to get drunk in Iran. I think I'd get some perverted satisfaction out of it. : : : : : : ---Can't really say if there's anything "weird" I wanna do, but I would like to visit some place like Sierra Leone or something like that, and work with perhaps Doctors Without Borders for a month or so. No real reason. Just something I've been wanting to do since a friend of mine told me she was planning to do just that. : : : : : : : 3) Would it actually be more "honest" and "moral" to visit a prostitute than to try your luck at a drinking restaurant? Not that I'm planning to do either, just wondering. : : : : : : ---I've never considered visiting a prostitute morally wrong anyway. I'd call it a business deal, really. Unless it has pimping involved and stuff like that. So I guess it depends on your attitude when you go to that drinking restauraunt. Can't wait for someone to jump down my throat about that prostitute thing. http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60391 http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60391 Sunrider : : : 1) Am I the only one who's utterly sick of Facialbook and how everyone is going on about it all the time? Not to mention how a FB account is slowly and surely becoming a must have. Yeah I know, it's really handy if you have friends in another state, country etc yadda yadda. But it's also sad that we know have people who rather spend their Saturday evenings "facebooking" with the very same people they used to go out with, and people who tell you to check their Facebook page if you call them up and ask them how they're been doing. : : : : ---I have one, and I log in once or twice a day, but I haven't updated my status since the day I got it. I agree with you on more or less every point. : : : : : : : : 2) Is there some weird stuff you'd like to do in life? The religion thread reminded me of how I'd like to get drunk in Iran. I think I'd get some perverted satisfaction out of it. : : : : ---Can't really say if there's anything "weird" I wanna do, but I would like to visit some place like Sierra Leone or something like that, and work with perhaps Doctors Without Borders for a month or so. No real reason. Just something I've been wanting to do since a friend of mine told me she was planning to do just that. : : : : : 3) Would it actually be more "honest" and "moral" to visit a prostitute than to try your luck at a drinking restaurant? Not that I'm planning to do either, just wondering. : : : : ---I've never considered visiting a prostitute morally wrong anyway. I'd call it a business deal, really. Unless it has pimping involved and stuff like that. So I guess it depends on your attitude when you go to that drinking restauraunt. Can't wait for someone to jump down my throat about that prostitute thing. http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60390 http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60390 KOTC : : 1) Am I the only one who's utterly sick of Facialbook and how everyone is going on about it all the time? Not to mention how a FB account is slowly and surely becoming a must have. Yeah I know, it's really handy if you have friends in another state, country etc yadda yadda. But it's also sad that we know have people who rather spend their Saturday evenings "facebooking" with the very same people they used to go out with, and people who tell you to check their Facebook page if you call them up and ask them how they're been doing. : : ---I have one, and I log in once or twice a day, but I haven't updated my status since the day I got it. I agree with you on more or less every point. : : : : : 2) Is there some weird stuff you'd like to do in life? The religion thread reminded me of how I'd like to get drunk in Iran. I think I'd get some perverted satisfaction out of it. : : ---Can't really say if there's anything "weird" I wanna do, but I would like to visit some place like Sierra Leone or something like that, and work with perhaps Doctors Without Borders for a month or so. No real reason. Just something I've been wanting to do since a friend of mine told me she was planning to do just that. : : : 3) Would it actually be more "honest" and "moral" to visit a prostitute than to try your luck at a drinking restaurant? Not that I'm planning to do either, just wondering. : : ---I've never considered visiting a prostitute morally wrong anyway. I'd call it a business deal, really. Unless it has pimping involved and stuff like that. So I guess it depends on your attitude when you go to that drinking restauraunt. Can't wait for someone to jump down my throat about that prostitute thing. http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60389 http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60389 Sunrider : 1) Am I the only one who's utterly sick of Facialbook and how everyone is going on about it all the time? Not to mention how a FB account is slowly and surely becoming a must have. Yeah I know, it's really handy if you have friends in another state, country etc yadda yadda. But it's also sad that we know have people who rather spend their Saturday evenings "facebooking" with the very same people they used to go out with, and people who tell you to check their Facebook page if you call them up and ask them how they're been doing. ---I have one, and I log in once or twice a day, but I haven't updated my status since the day I got it. I agree with you on more or less every point. : : 2) Is there some weird stuff you'd like to do in life? The religion thread reminded me of how I'd like to get drunk in Iran. I think I'd get some perverted satisfaction out of it. ---Can't really say if there's anything "weird" I wanna do, but I would like to visit some place like Sierra Leone or something like that, and work with perhaps Doctors Without Borders for a month or so. No real reason. Just something I've been wanting to do since a friend of mine told me she was planning to do just that. : 3) Would it actually be more "honest" and "moral" to visit a prostitute than to try your luck at a drinking restaurant? Not that I'm planning to do either, just wondering. ---I've never considered visiting a prostitute morally wrong anyway. I'd call it a business deal, really. Unless it has pimping involved and stuff like that. So I guess it depends on your attitude when you go to that drinking restauraunt. Can't wait for someone to jump down my throat about that prostitute thing. http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60388 http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60388 Pig Fuckah : : Hey everyone. It's been awhile since I've shown my face around here but I was wondering what everyone thought of the following two bands: Power Quest and Delain. I have been listening to them both non-stop lately and have recommended both to The Keeper for his listening enjoyment. What are your thoughts? : : Hilariously terrible to listen to. It's good for a laugh to be sure, but definitely nothing I'd listen to if I was actually wanting good MUSIC. Delain I heard a couple of songs, and they were pretty boring, only ones I heard that remotely stood out were the ones Marco Hietala did vox on. http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60387 http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60387 Pig Fuckah 1) Am I the only one who's utterly sick of Facialbook and how everyone is going on about it all the time? Not to mention how a FB account is slowly and surely becoming a must have. Yeah I know, it's really handy if you have friends in another state, country etc yadda yadda. But it's also sad that we know have people who rather spend their Saturday evenings "facebooking" with the very same people they used to go out with, and people who tell you to check their Facebook page if you call them up and ask them how they're been doing. 2) Is there some weird stuff you'd like to do in life? The religion thread reminded me of how I'd like to get drunk in Iran. I think I'd get some perverted satisfaction out of it. 3) Would it actually be more "honest" and "moral" to visit a prostitute than to try your luck at a drinking restaurant? Not that I'm planning to do either, just wondering. http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60386 http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60386 KOTC : Hey everyone. It's been awhile since I've shown my face around here but I was wondering what everyone thought of the following two bands: Power Quest and Delain. I have been listening to them both non-stop lately and have recommended both to The Keeper for his listening enjoyment. What are your thoughts? http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60385 http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60385 KOTC : : Hey everyone. It's been awhile since I've shown my face around here but I was wondering what everyone thought of the following two bands: Power Quest and Delain. I have been listening to them both non-stop lately and have recommended both to The Keeper for his listening enjoyment. What are your thoughts? : : Hilariously terrible to listen to. It's good for a laugh to be sure, but definitely nothing I'd listen to if I was actually wanting good MUSIC. Delain I heard a couple of songs, and they were pretty boring, only ones I heard that remotely stood out were the ones Marco Hietala did vox on. http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60384 http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60384 D.S. : Hey everyone. It's been awhile since I've shown my face around here but I was wondering what everyone thought of the following two bands: Power Quest and Delain. I have been listening to them both non-stop lately and have recommended both to The Keeper for his listening enjoyment. What are your thoughts? Hilariously terrible to listen to. It's good for a laugh to be sure, but definitely nothing I'd listen to if I was actually wanting good MUSIC. Delain I heard a couple of songs, and they were pretty boring, only ones I heard that remotely stood out were the ones Marco Hietala did vox on. http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60383 http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60383 Steel Tormentor (the other Chris) Hey everyone. It's been awhile since I've shown my face around here but I was wondering what everyone thought of the following two bands: Power Quest and Delain. I have been listening to them both non-stop lately and have recommended both to The Keeper for his listening enjoyment. What are your thoughts? http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60382 http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60382 Synthinator : I got hold of the album yesterday and haven't even listened through the whole thing, but I like what I'm hearing so far. Favorite as of now is Empty Hollow (I). : What do you gays and gals think about it? : : KOTC http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60381 http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60381 Satan : I got hold of the album yesterday and haven't even listened through the whole thing, but I like what I'm hearing so far. Favorite as of now is Empty Hollow (I). : What do you gays and gals think about it? : : KOTC I think its a pretty good and solid album. I like it better than the last one which wasnt bad either. Definitely a disc I will be playing on my show a lot this year. http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60380 http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60380 Trail : I got hold of the album yesterday and haven't even listened through the whole thing, but I like what I'm hearing so far. Favorite as of now is Empty Hollow (I). : What do you gays and gals think about it? : : KOTC http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60379 http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60379 KOTC I got hold of the album yesterday and haven't even listened through the whole thing, but I like what I'm hearing so far. Favorite as of now is Empty Hollow (I). What do you gays and gals think about it? KOTC http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60378 http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60378 Satan : Sorry man, the production does sound kinda weak. It doesn't bother me personally(I listen to a lot of stuff with even worse production), but KOTC's description of "metal in a tin can" is pretty much spot on. : : As for the songs themselves, not bad, though I confess I kinda prefer the style of the band's previous albums to what I'm hearing here, they were a bit more energetic, I guess. Of course, that's only 2 songs, so maybe they're not totally representative. If they're not, tell your guys to upload something a big faster/more uptempo for the next preview;-) There are some songs which are more uptempo than those, I only posted them because they had a quasi mastering jb on them, the album isnt mastered at all yet except the rough one. As far as the production goes....believe it or not we had some good label offers and they all loved the production odd that none of you like it which is what shocks me. Im not mad you guys think that just suprised.....and....when we saw the shitty contracts we realized that labels arent the way to go since i know all of the ppl record labels use to distribute music and promote it anyway so we just liscensed it out to get it distributed. -Tony : : Of the 2 new ones, Signaling the End had a sort of King Diamond vibe to it(both musically and vocally-was it intentional?), and was my favorite of the two. KD has no influence on me at all......but nice comparison though :) I know our guitarist loves Andy Laroque and Tommy Vetterli. -Tony http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60377 http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60377 D.S. Sorry man, the production does sound kinda weak. It doesn't bother me personally(I listen to a lot of stuff with even worse production), but KOTC's description of "metal in a tin can" is pretty much spot on. As for the songs themselves, not bad, though I confess I kinda prefer the style of the band's previous albums to what I'm hearing here, they were a bit more energetic, I guess. Of course, that's only 2 songs, so maybe they're not totally representative. If they're not, tell your guys to upload something a big faster/more uptempo for the next preview;-) Of the 2 new ones, Signaling the End had a sort of King Diamond vibe to it(both musically and vocally-was it intentional?), and was my favorite of the two. http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60376 http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60376 KOTC : Love your vocal work, but I enjoy your writing skillz, too. : : Also, I've heard you do some growly vocals, and it wasn't too bad! *** Hey, thanks. :) I haven't done much writing recently, but apparently these guys will gladly hand over that responsibility and I'll just as gladly take it. I'll keep you posted. My growly vocals, I've done a little of that.. But I can't do it for long, I don't have the technique, I'd lose my voice in no-time. :) KOTC http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60375 http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60375 KOTC : : : All the songs I listened to sounded flat and a little muffled. Like the sound you get if you use a bath towel as a pop screen. : : : : : : It could be blamed on the conversion process (auto-normaliser?), I imagine. : : : : : : Other than that, sounded pretty good. :) : : : : That's so crazy you guys dont care for the production. It does sound a little flat because of myspace but....damn just lietened to the mastered stuff today in my car and it sounds great. A lot of people loved it......anyhow, glad you at least thought the songs were good! : : : : http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60374 http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60374 KOTC : : All the songs I listened to sounded flat and a little muffled. Like the sound you get if you use a bath towel as a pop screen. : : : : It could be blamed on the conversion process (auto-normaliser?), I imagine. : : : : Other than that, sounded pretty good. :) : : That's so crazy you guys dont care for the production. It does sound a little flat because of myspace but....damn just lietened to the mastered stuff today in my car and it sounds great. A lot of people loved it......anyhow, glad you at least thought the songs were good! : : http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60373 http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60373 Satan : All the songs I listened to sounded flat and a little muffled. Like the sound you get if you use a bath towel as a pop screen. : : It could be blamed on the conversion process (auto-normaliser?), I imagine. : : Other than that, sounded pretty good. :) That's so crazy you guys dont care for the production. It does sound a little flat because of myspace but....damn just lietened to the mastered stuff today in my car and it sounds great. A lot of people loved it......anyhow, glad you at least thought the songs were good! http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60372 http://futureworld.ws/YourTurn/index.py?action=view;msgid=60372